"Had I known what I know now though, I definetly wouldve achieved a greater height than I have. But I cant turn back time"

HeightFX.. why dont you use your product? I mean if you want to grow.And if you are using it...how much have you grown from it?

Or is there an age limit when one should use your YOUR product.

give us the link so we can purchase or try your product...

To put it briefly for you, im about to turn 24 years old. Im pretty sure theres no hope for me growing. Were I still in my teens I would be taking it for height growth. Unfortunetely by the time I did develop a solid understanding of height growth and how to promote supraphysiological levels of it, I was likely far too old to benefit from my own knowledge. Those of you in your early teens who are here learning, your off to a far better start than I was. When I was a teen there was no one around to teach me how to grow taller and how height growth works, I had to learn everything myself which took years to develop a true understanding of endochondral ossification. Also when I was a teen alot less was known about height growth by scientists. Over the past 10 years the amount of things discovered by scientists pertaining to height growth is immense. The greatest advancements in both understanding and treatment of height growth have occured over the past decade, primarily because of the technologies scientists now have at their finger tips such as genetic manipulation of animals (i.e. gene knockout mice and monkeys where they remove certain genes to examine the result that has, such as removing the gene for IGF-1 receptors thereby stopping the animal from having IGF-1 receptors in its body thereby allowing scientists to study the animals growth without IGF-1 activity and thereby understanding the role IGF-1 has in growth). These technological breakthroughs have advanced scientists abilities to study everything to degrees they never used to be able to, and have led to these great discoveries made about height growth over the past decade. One can only wonder in amazement what things will come to light over the next decade. By 2020, the understanding of height growth will be extraordinary I expect. Who knows what new technologies will be developed that will allow scientists to learn things they otherwise never would be able to about height growth.

I actually remember the exact moment scientists reported the discovery of patients with both aromatase enzyme gene mutations (thereby not having aromatase enzyme in there body) and estrogen receptor alpha gene mutations (thereby not having the estrogen receptor alpha subtype in their bodies tissues). When I first started learning about height growth, scientists didint know that estrogen was the sole reason growth plates fused. Shortly after I started learning, I came across the recently published studies and patient reports relating to estrogen. I proposed a hypothesis myself, that using aromatase inhibitors (which had also recently been discovered and utilized for breast cancer) would prolong growth plate fusion and allow the user to grow for a longer period of time. Shortly thereafter scientists began conducting widespread studies with aromatase inhibitors to recreate, in a reversible manner, the condition that the patients with abnormally tall stature they had recently studied had, and this further supported the conclusion that estrogen, and in particular estrogens binding to the alpha receptor (as opposed to the beta receptor) is the sole reason the growth plates eventually fuse. My hypothesis held true and scientists had the same hypothesis I did, evn though I developed my hypothesis without ever reading a study using aromatase inhibitors to promote height growth. Even more recently theyve proposed WHY estrogen receptor alpha agonist activity causes growth plate fusion, by progressing growth plate senescence (more or less maturation of the growth plate) and thus exhuasting chondrocytes of their proliferative capacity in ways other hormones do not. This is still up for debate and this idea represents the cutting edge of height growth science at this moment in time.


I do take my product however for its other benefits (it has alot). Namely for the promotion of lean muscle growth as it does that very well (if you lift weights and eat a high protein diet in combination of course). It also has other benefits such as having antioxidant, prostate protectorant, cholesterol lowering, and cognition enhancing (memory and focus) benefits.


Of course theres an age limit. Its impossible to say what age for certain because peoples growth plates fuse at different ages. Some people can still grow taller even into their 20's. It depends how much estrogen your body produces naturally. The less estrogen your body produces, the longer you'll be able to grow taller for. The consumption of alcohol causes a significant rise in estrogen, so if you consume alcohol frequently, your robbing yourself of height growth believe it or not. So I highly discourage the consumption of alcohol until youve stopped growing.

Generally speaking though, if your in your 20's, and have not had any measureable increase in height within the past 6 months, its likely your long bone growth plates have fused.

Below is a growth chart for the average growth of males. You will see where generally peoples growth plates fuse, this can help you decide if your a good candidate for using my product or not. If your in your mid 20's, pretty much a guarantee your growth plates have fused and the product wont be able to help you (nor would HGH injections or steroids either, two clinical therapies used for promoting height growth).




As you see, the SHORTER you are the longer you continue growing for. This is because the faster/taller your growing, it means the more hormones your producing which means the more estrogen your producing which means the sooner your growth plates will fuse.

So if you are on the shorter side for your age, you can receive results from my product at a later age than people who are already fairly tall. Looking at the chart you can see between 17-19 is when most people stop growing taller.

You can also see the average peak for height growth, when people grow the fastest, is between the ages of 11 to 16. If you fall within that age, you will recieve the best result from using my product because your growth plates likely still have not begun experiencing depletion of chondrocyte proliferation capacity.


Important to note is these growth charts are averages. As you can see from them, there is a huge variance between individuals (take the two childrens charted growth, jack had a more significant hormonal increase during his pubertal growth spurt than mohammad did, you can see exactly the point where his hormones went into overdrive resulting in the sudden and significant spike in longitudinal growth). Its impossible to predict accurately what your individual bodies growth will be, theres just too many factors influencing your growth.

is it possible to provide a link to your product so we can try it out for ourselves?

http://www.heighteffects.com

I first HIGHLY recommend you checkout the EDUCATION link on the mainpage and read the education center from start to finish. This will help you develop a solid understanding of height growth without getting overly complex and overwhelmed.

To see exactly how the product works and references for each claim made to almost 100 different clinical studies, theres a link on the mainpage titled "View the science behind this". This will take you to the biotechnology overview which goes into in-depth detail of how each element of the product works and the massive number of clinical studies supporting each ingredient and each mechanism of function. Never has a height growth product been supported by even 1/50th as much scientific facts.

I didint use any ingredient that I didint have scientific facts supporting. These are the best of the best components I have discovered that can promote significant height growth, and I chose components that would have significant synergy in combination with eachother, thats where the real power comes from, the synergy of the combinations. Also several of the ingredients are custom produced extracts because the commercially available extracts of these plants were not standardized to contain the phytonutrient fractions that gave the benefits I was searching for, so I had to have my manufacturer perform custom proprietary extractions on some plants to isolate the phytonutrients that benefit height. An example is grape seed extract, commercially available grape seed extract is sold for the purpose of being an antioxidant, and therefore its primarily made up of phytonutrients from grape seed that have antioxidant benefits. In order to get a grape seed extract that served the purpose I wanted, I had to have a custom extract performed that isolated the phytonutrients I wanted that are not found in effective quantities in the commercial standard of grape seed extract.


Below are two clinical studies conducted on herbal formulations (such as what my product is), and studied the effect of these herbal formulations on longitudinal skeletal growth (height growth). The results are nothing short of amazing.


An Herbal Medicine Mixture (HM-10) Induces Longitudinal Bone Growth and Growth Hormone Release in Rats

To investigate the growth promoting effects of an herbal medicine formulation (HM-10), Sprague Dawley (SD) male rats (3 weeks old) were divided into 3 groups (8 rats/group). The control group was given a daily oral administration of saline, and the treatment groups, HM-1 and HM-2, were given daily administrations of HM-10 (500 and 1,000 mg/kg BW, respectively). The cumulative tibial bone growth of the HM-1 and HM-2 groups (22.5 and 20.8 mm, respectively), and their cumulative femur bone growth (19.4 and 18.2 mm, respectively), were significantly different compared to the control group (7.5 mm of tibial growth and 7.7 mm of femur growth) (p<0.05). Lastly, the growth hormone levels of the HM-1 and HM-2 groups (1.70 and 1.79 ng/mL, respectively), as well as their insulin like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) levels (165.1 and 171.7 ng/mL, respectively) showed significant differences compared to the control (0.93 ng/mL of growth hormone and 125.6 ng/mL of IGF-1) (p<0.05).

In the above study, the rats treated with the herbal formulation experienced about a 175% increase in longitudinal growth verse the placebo control group. Thats nearly a tripling of growth in the same period of time in rats treated with the herbal formulation. That means if you were to grow 1" in 1 month naturally, taking the herbal formulation you would grow 2.75" in 1 month.


Effects of Jaoga-Yukmiwon®, a Korean herbal medicine, on chondrocyte proliferation and longitudinal bone growth in adolescent male rats

Externally visible growth of the body is the result of proliferation of chondrocytes and longitudinal bone growth. The effects of the Korean herbal medicine, Jaoga-Yukmiwon®, on the growth of adolescent rats were investigated in the present study. The proliferation ratio of chondrocytes was calculated from 5-bromo2'-deoxyuridine incorporation during DNA synthesis. The 5-bromo-2'-deoxyuridine incorporation ratio of the control group was 21.1 ± 3.5%, and Jaoga- Yukmiwon® administration markedly increased the ratio to 34.5 ± 4.6% (p < 0.05). The bone formation rate of longitudinal bone was estimated by labelling with tetracycline, which binds to newly formed bone. The bone formation rate in the tibia of Jaoga-Yukmiwon® -administered rats was increased to 405.1 ± 4.3 μm (p < 0.05) from 292.2 ± 11.8 μm (control value). The height of the growth plate in the administrated rats was increased to 614.6 ± 10.0 pm (p < 0.05) from 552.3 ± 17.1 pm. The bone morphogenetic protein-2 immunostaining in the growth plate was also increased. These results suggest that Jaoga-Yukmiwon® may promote longitudinal bone growth during the developmental period.

In this study of another herbal formulation, the rats treated with it grew an average of about 50% greater than those not treated. this means if you grew 1" in one month, taking this formulation you would grow 1.5" in 1 month. Thats still a significant acceleration in height growth.


These landmark studies directly prove for the first time that the administration of certain formulations of natural herbal ingredients can promote SIGNIFICANT increases in longitudinal height growth in adolescent subjects whose growth plates have not fused. Infact these levels of growth promoted are equivalent and even greater than the level of growth achieved with clinical therapies using HGH injections or anabolic steroids.

HeightFX

As i am abot to begin a bodybuilding diet, in conjunction with taking yor product, is it safe for me to take these supplements along with your product?:

Glutamine powder
Vitamin C capsules
ZMA (Zinc,Magnesium, Aspartate)
Calcium capsules

Only if your lucky, many people's growth plates fuse at 21. SOme are lucky to get 23, even more at 25 and some have a condidtion (NOT GIGANTISM) that can keep them open till 35.

Actually if the growth plates remain open for an abnormally long period of time it is defined as Gigantism. Gigantism does NOT mean only an excess of growth hormone!! There is no one cause of Gigantism and Gigantism is a BROAD term that is used to describe any number of causes for abnormal HEIGHT growth.

Whereas Acromegaly is a broad term that is used to describe any number of causes for abnormal BONE growth (NOT leading to increased height), such as abnormally enlarged extremities and skull.

Gigantism is defined as any level of longitudinal skeletal growth that is significantly greater than age and race dictates for that person, the persons growth plates have not yet fused, and this abnormal growth is the result of a disorder.

Once the growth plates fuse, Gigantism is then called Acromegaly. Generally only an excess of growth hormone results in the classic symptoms of acromegaly though (i.e. abnormally enlarged extremities). Whereas Gigantism can be caused by a variety of different disorders.

Below are the most common causes of Gigantism;

GIGANTISM CAUSES WHERE GROWTH PLATES WILL FUSE:
- An excessive amount of growth hormone, often a cause of a tumor on the pituitary, but could also be related to genetic mutations or other causes.

- An excessive amount of thyroid hormones, often a cause of a tumor on the thyroid gland, but could also be related to genetic mutations or other causes.

- An excessive amount of androgenic hormones, often a cause of a tumor on the testicles, but could also be related to genetic mutations or other causes.

GIGANTISM CAUSES WHERE GROWTH PLATES WILL NOT FUSE:
- A genetic mutation in the aromatase enzyme gene resulting in none-to-little estrogen in the body, thereby preventing the growth plates from ever fusing resulting in an abnormally tall stature over time.

- A genetic mutation in the estrogen receptor alpha gene resulting in there being no estrogen receptor alpha in the tissues of the body (in this case no ER-alpha in the epiphyseal growth plate tissue). Despite there being normal levels of estrogen, the estrogen cannot elicit its growth plate fusing effect on the growth plates and therefore resulting in an abnormally tall stature over time.



In the latter two, the rate of height growth is not abnormally fast, infact it is actually significantly SLOWER than average, however, because the growth plates do not fuse, height growth continues throughout their entire lifetime thus resulting in abnormally tall stature, and eventually, death when their height becomes too tall for the heart to literally pump the blood through the body or from heart attack because the heart is overly strained trying to pump blood through such an expansive body.


In the first three, the rate of height growth is significantly faster than normal, however the growth plates will fuse at the average ages, or possibly sooner in the case of excessive androgenic hormones. However because they grew so much faster during their pubertal growth phase, they ascertain an abnormally tall height. Once growth plates fuse in these individuals, their condition becomes known as acromegaly instead of gigantism, and they no longer grow taller.

Gigantism is only used when the growth plates have yet to fuse. After fusion, it becomes known as Acromegaly which is when height growth no longer occurs, but other parts of the skeleton are still effected and enlarge to abnormal sizes, especially in the extremities (hands/feet).


But Gigantism does NOT mean only 1 cause. Gigantism is a broad term for ANY disorder where the growth plates have not yet fused and abnormally tall stature is the result of the disorder.

Acromegaly is Gigantism after the growth plates have fused and thus height growth stops, but circumferential skeletal growth continues and results in an abnormally proportioned skeletal structure.

Yes its fine bud. BUT why take calcium capsules? if you want to build muscle you need to be eating a very good, anabolic, high protein high nutrient high calorie diet, and if your eating such a diet, theres no need to take extra calcium or vitamin C or glutamine.

If you dont eat a proper diet, you cannot grow muscle no matter what, even if you took absurd amounts of steroids you still wouldnt grow muscle. Muscle growth is especially sensitive to having a proper diet, far more so than bone growth is.


Also, ZMA is good stuff but the "A" in ZMA doesnt mean aspartate. If you wrote ZMA properly it would be ZMa (Ma being the abbreviation for Magnesium). Some ZMA products also contain vitamin B6 but its not a required component.

Aspartate is simply the salt form the Magnesium is provided as (Magnesium Aspartate) as is the Zinc Monomethionine Aspartate (a very cool zinc-methionine complex molecule prepared as the aspartate salt).

ZMA is Zinc Monomethionine Aspartate and Magnesium Aspartate (and for some ZMA products, also vit B6 but as I said thats not a necessary component to a ZMA complex).


I think glutamine is a huge waste of money. If your eating proper protein rich diet (as you must be to gain muscle) then your consuming PLENTY of glutamine as well as creatine (which is why I also think creatine is useless if your eating a proper diet as creatines found in large amounts in meat!).

The supplements id recommend you take in conjunction with my product if focusing not just on height growth benefits but also muscle growth would be;

- ZMA complex
- a top quality vitamin/mineral supplement
- a top quality protein (better yet, MRP) supplement
- a top quality EFA oil (I highly recommend Udos Choice 3-6-9 oil blend)

Also TOTAL cereal has 100% RDA for 11 essential vitamins/minerals in a single bowl if im not mistaken. So TOTAL cereal is pretty good option for having a bowl for breakfast every morning! its a cheap and easy way to get some good vit/mins in ya and calories.

You also should not take magnesium and calcium together. IF your going to drink milk or take a calcium supplement, make sure you have at least 4 hours between taking the ZMA and taking the calcium or milk or other calcium rich food. Because Calcium prevents the absorption of magnesium, so you shouldnt take them together. 4 hours between them should be plenty of time, heck you could likely get away with just 2 hours between them.


IF you insist on taking a calcium supplement (again, not necessary if your eating a proper anabolic diet which you should be for muscle growth), then at least get a calcium supplement that also contains vitamin D in it.

If your trying to eat a proper BBing diet, youll prolly need to drink lots of milk everyday as its wonderful for getting calories in your diet and it has a great ratio of protein-carbs-fats albeit its carbs are mostly from sugar (lactose) which isnt too good but still, milk rocks for BB'ers, its like a meal-replacement-liquid

Also checkup on the latest recommendations for the RDA of vitamin D as I recall hearing last month that researchers recommended the RDA for vitamin D be raised considerably. Google around to see what theyre recommending the new RDA for vitamin D be.

Thanks for the informative responce regarding the supplements HeightFX.

You said that taking Vitamin C and Glutamine is useless if i'm on a high protein BBdiet, however i thought that these supplements will help to repair muscle and stop muscle after an intense workout better?

I am going to be having MRPs once daily which provide 42g protein per serving, and also taking a good multivitamin. You mention that taking your product helps not only with height but in building lean muscle mass etc, in what way does it help to do this?

Finally, I'm 17 and 5'8",white, male , have grown about 1cm in the past 4 months, and my target in 6 months is to get to 5'9" with your product as well as gaining 20lbs in muscle mass (currently 135lbs). Are these two goals realistic?